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This is your opportunity to get anything that bugged you off your chest or to commend and praise good practice as you saw it. What do you think about the new timing arrangements? Leader’s speech at 4pm on a Wednesday OK by you? How about the prices at the snack bar? All good questions – and plenty of opportunity for free form responses too, if you want to have a go at some of the bad elements of Conference. Our vox-poppers were not too impressed at the number or cost of the internet PCs or conference Wifi service. Perhaps you’d like to mention that too.

And if you particularly enjoyed the LDV events, such as our two fringe meetings on Campaigning after Rennard (shame the rally over-ran and took all our audience!) and Beyond Twitter – as well as the Blog of the Year awards and the Liberal Drinks meeting – why not mention them in your feedback form?

Unfortunately, if you weren’t at conference, you can’t complete the form – the final question is your name, so that they can check whether you were there or not. Which slightly disenfranchises all those who would have gone if it hadn’t been all the way down there on the South Coast. (I’m much more looking forward to a few conferences up in my neck of the woods in Liverpool and Birmingham next year.) Feel free in that case to leave your thoughts in the comments below.

We’d also be very keen to hear from our readers about the LDV coverage of conference. How do you think we did? Did you listen to the podcasts – if so, what did you think? Where you following our twitter coverage of our events? Was that useful? Anything you’d like to see more – or less – of?

Liverpool’s bells

Have just returned from a weekend ringing tour with FODS up in Liverpool. Whilst there were four nice churches visited, really the object for me was a chance to ring at the open practice at the Cathedral. With the heaviest and highest church bells in the world, the Anglican Cathedral of Liverpool is a sort of Mecca for ringers. Many of my ringing friends have spoken about the experience of ringing there, and so I was keen to experience it for myself.

The FODS have toured Liverpool once before – in the late 90s, I think – and when I went then, I certainly went into the cathedral, and was bowled over by the sheer size and scale of the immense edifice. But I hadn’t before made it up the tower. Given that it’s one of the largest cathedrals in the world, and has a very high, very large tower, it’s a bit of a relief that there are lifts, rather than making you climb a thousand stairs. That relief is slightly short lived when you realise that each lift car can carry a maximum of three people and there are at least 30 of you hoping to attend practice. The locals were full of stories that the lift recently broke down, and there are signs everywhere vaguely near the lift in a very simple pictogram to reinforce the limit of three.

I rode up the lift with two women, one a ringer of some standing in Liverpool and the other a complete novice who had never rung before, but was interested in seeing what it was like. In my pains to explain that Liverpool Cathedral was in so many ways a unique ringing experience, and therefore maybe not the best place to get a first taste, I fear I came across a little unwelcoming and had to mend bridges later on in the evening.

Eventually the lift takes you to level 8, the ringing chamber, which is enormous, and a little dark. There are windows, but they are small and high up. There are massive girders throughout the room holding the tower together, each with a little staircase over them so that you can circulate. And on the floor there are names painted at angles, which I think referred to other towers around the world. (I think these were the remnants of an art installation, reviewed here.

A local ringer started the practice by asking for shows of hands of those who had never rung at Liverpool Cathedral before. Since the bells are so heavy, and the sound so distant, they place rooky ringers carefully amongst more experienced ones. Even if you are a ringer of some standing, these are a special challenge. They’re also very loud, and audible a long way away so there is an even greater responsibility than normal not to make a hash of things.

I got to ring in the first set of rounds and call-changes, and was asked to ring the 3rd, which means the third heaviest out of the main ring of 12. There’s an accidental bell that lets you ring another scale, and a monster of a 14-ton bell not attached to the usual wheel, and rung only on special occasions.

To ring, you need to stand on a special structure built where the ropes fall from the ceiling, which raises all the ringers four feet off the ground. It’s a sort of stage, with a circular, stained pit in the middle. I rang, more or less uneventfully apart from when distracted and thinking I was ringing the 2 instead of the 3 moved in the wrong direction at a call. Despite the volume, the bells are hard to hear in the ringing chamber, as they are quite a way away and separated by thick concrete floors.

My ringing stint over, I wandered around the ringing chamber a bit more, took some cameraphone pictures and videos (which I will add into this post when they have uploaded to Flickr) before my battery died. After a while, I noticed people were grabbing ear defenders and heading back to the lift. It turned out they were going to watch the bells from above, rather than from below. I grabbed a pair of defenders from the bag and joined the lift queue.

When you get out, here’s what you see:

Liverpool bells

(photo credit: That_James)

That’s an extraordinary sight, for so many reasons.

Firstly – these are enormous bells, amongst the largest in the world. Almost all of them are significantly bigger than people. The largest, central bell weighs 14 tons, and is surrounded by bells from 9 cwt to 4 tons. And yet they are dwarfed by the space they are in, in this huge lantern at the top of the huge tower astride the huge cathedral. Most other church towers could fit into the bell chamber many times over. The space is so big, and so open to the elements that it is not unusual for clouds and rain to form in the space. The stain in the pit below comes from rainwater collecting in the mouths of bells and bucketing down on unwary ringers below. NB, in the photo, the bells are raised for ringing, with their mouths facing up. When I was there, they were being swung, so each of the bells around the edge was turning full circle.

Secondly – the design of the frame holding the bells. It’s concrete! In most other churches, it’s wood or the wood has been replaced this century with a metal frame. This beautiful industrial concrete setting for the bells means they can be arranged in a perfect circle, rather than meshed together in two layers, bells facing in all directions and jigsawed together in complicated patterns, as is usual. But how did they get the concrete up there? It must surely have been poured in situ, rather than cast below and hoisted up? The industrial machinery reminded me a little of my primary-school trip to a nuclear power station. We were trouped around to look at distant concrete machinery through safety-glass windows. Similar vast spaces applied.

I was so bowled over by the sight that I beetled back down the lift and handed my ear defenders to the woman who’d never rung before and sent her up to see it.

Although the ringing chamber is not normally open to the public, the bell chamber forms part of the Tower Experience, which is open to all visitors. If you get the chance, go and see it.

Tweets on 2009-09-27

  • http://twitpic.com/j782u – Drinking brown ale in the absence of any draught beer. #
  • The tenor box (which short people stand on to reach further) at Port Sunlight is a solid block of wood. V heavy. #
  • Penultimate stop at St Nicholas Pierhead. #
  • On into the cathedral. Great Scott, but it's big. #
  • On the plus side – the highest tower in the UK has lifts. On the minus, it's 3 at once and there's 30 of us. #
  • Rang the 3rd at Liverpool Cathedral – that's a sufficiently scary experience for me. #

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Tweets on 2009-09-26

  • I had heard that Rod, Jane and Freddy were touring with no original members… but it's not true! http://tr.im/zHNm (@miketd) #
  • @markpack – @mandateblog won't let me comment, calling my comedy spelling flame "spam". The horror. #
  • Lobby, lobbier, lobbiest? Ah, no, it's lobbyist. #
  • Hilarious story from crowded congested train (strong language) http://tr.im/zI5o #
  • Latest Hitler Downfall vid is about the spat between City and County councils on a new Notts world cup football stadium http://tr.im/zI7v #
  • @jamesgraham is that a GOVERNMENT BACKED SCHEME? We get a lot of calls like that. #
  • "I'm not, as some suggest, going to kill the first born. All I'm going to do is injure the first born." http://tr.im/zJbL #
  • Good Lord. Barely minutes into the News Quiz and they're talking about y-fronts. #
  • @dr_nick hire car? #
  • Another night, another cathedral of despair. Off to that Liverpool for FODS ringing tour. #
  • RT @charltonbrooker: Schedule psst: Gameswipe is on Tues 29th Sep, BBC4,10pm: http://bit.ly/7nYxj — aimed at both gamers and game-sceptics #
  • @tonytheaker martinis? in reply to tonytheaker #
  • @Madamemish yes indeed… The Friends of Dorothy Society of Change Ringers, almost all of whom are highly accomplished. in reply to Madamemish #
  • Bromborough. No stay on the treble. Eek. #
  • Well. Port Sunlight could be… sunnier. Bebbington church next. #
  • Wondering who's the dish on the 3rd? "Oh, that's wossisname," says Tiffs helpfully. #
  • Giant spider interrupts dizzy queens. #
  • http://twitpic.com/j6vl7 – Interesting trees for a churchyard – yew, horse chestnut,, palm… #

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Tweets on 2009-09-24

  • Ooh, stirring music! #ldconf #
  • Pff. Like there's anyone left who still has a £20 note at #ldconf after visiting the snackbar. #
  • RT @rhjames164 Nick Clegg's leader speech at the Lib Dem conference in full and analysis http://tinyurl.com/n6a9uh #ldconf <- Erm, embargo?? #
  • Liking this definition of progressive austerity – not savage cuts, but considered redistribution of spending and saving. #ldconf #
  • Ooh "quangocrat". Quangocrat quangocrat quangocrat. #ldconf #
  • 50p more on a cinema ticket! <riotous applause> #ldconf #
  • @SussexTim cut in numbers of MPs has been Lib Dem party policy for ten years or more. http://bit.ly/1KCJiz #
  • And… Cue more stirring music #ldconf #
  • Wonderful few hours with my delightful nephew and his lovely parents. #
  • Midnight sober yoga in cathedral of despair car park is infinitely inferior. #
  • Safely home. Haven't driven through #bbcr4 close for ages. Excellent World Service programmes about migrants and fly people. #
  • @miss_s_b A34 was totally closed in the night and had to do large, badly signed detour to get back en route. #

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#ldconf podcast: Beyond Twitter

Below, you will find our final fringe event at conference, Beyond Twitter. MP Jo Swinson joined LDV regular Mark Pack and MySociety’s Richard Pope to debate the future of public online engagement with politics.

We still have one more fringe event in the cans ready for sound processing, but I won’t be able to bring that to you just yet.

Daily View 2×2: 24 September 2009

Good morning. I trust your jouney home from conference, if you were making one, was uneventful. Today’s birthday boy is Jack Dee, who is 47 today.

Two big stories

It was noticeable on the radio news going home last night that Nick Clegg’s speech had been bumped below the radio equivalent of the fold to various global issues, including Obama and Brown addressing the UN, and the leaked, unconfirmed news of the state visit of the Pope, to happen next year.

But todays’ key stories: Both the Telegraph and the Guardian lead with poor relations between Brown and Obama:

British officials made five attempts to secure official talks with the US President and even agreed to a policy change in an attempt to land a joint appearance between the two leaders, said diplomatic sources.

But the White House rebuffed the offers and Mr Brown, who had hoped to increase his popularity by appearing on his own with Mr Obama, had to settle instead for a snatched conversation with the President in a New York kitchen.

The setbacks led to fears that relations between Downing Street and the White House were at their lowest point since John Major’s frosty dealings with Bill Clinton.

(Telegraph)

Meanwhile, over at the Daily Mail, it seems that the 50p a month levy on broadband users floated as part of the Digital Britain report has now transmogrified into a £6-a-year charge that will be introduced before the General Election:

The tax will subsidise the cost of installing next generation broadband networks in areas where they would not otherwise be economically viable.

Two must-read blog posts

Jonathan Calder brings us news of new styles of campaigning.

The Liberal Democrats are to borrow money to help mount their first direct mailshot as part of an attempt to widen the number of seats they target at the next election to more than 200 – according to aides, their largest number of targeted seats ever …

I’m sure we’ll hear in due course where those 200 will be.

Keighley PPC Nader Fekri highlights the Torys’ terrible record:

Poor old Tory Iain Dale, bleating on his blog about how Chris Huhne has been beastly to the Tories at Conference. Aah Diddums. The Tories under Cameron, appear to have moved to the centre, but have not radically changed their spots since that pestilential woman took over the reins of power. They pander to right-wing Eurosceptics within their own party, and cosy up to neo-Nazis, Holocaust-deniers, and homophobes in Europe.

#ldconf podcast: IPPR fringe

We were taping ippr’s fringe with our own Editor at Large Stephen Tall along with some relative political unknowns – Shirley Williams, Menzies Campbell and Charles Clarke.

The ippr did say they were recording the event themselves, and their recording is probably better than ours, but I can’t immediately find it on their website.

Tweets on 2009-09-23

  • Egads! I don't need to adjust my tv! Andrew Neil really is that colour. #
  • Lib Dem News next door are arguing about how to spell Gaszczak. At my first conference we learned to spell Donnachadh. #
  • http://twitpic.com/ipj65 – The results of ALDC's brainstorming. #
  • http://twitpic.com/ipkgk – The LDV RT winner @nmcgovern collects his book. #
  • RT @markpack ++ STOP PRESS + Don Foster to play #ukulele in public: Through the Arts fringe meeting, Sherborne, Highcliff, 9:45pm-11 #ldconf #
  • At anaerobic digestion meeting. No drinks – apparently organisers thought that would attract the wrong sort. #
  • There are thousands of bio digesters in Europe – why so few here? Could account for 40% of our gas. #
  • Biogas could really help us with energy security in a world where Europe has first dibs on Russian gas and the US on Qatar. #
  • Build cost lower than new nukes and would probably create more jobs. #
  • ADBA are mapping waste, water and gas networks to work out optimum locations for new UK plant. #
  • http://www.adbiogas.co.uk #
  • Sad to have missed the annual awards at the national heating and hot water association. #
  • Just realised the speaker is Lord Redesdale, when he mentioned running biodigesters on dead grey squirrels. #
  • ADBA are in the position to help local authorities find finance and with tendering. #
  • Lovely, horrible words: digestate. Exudate. Condensate. #
  • ROCs – guaranteed til 2038. RHIs a little less certain. #
  • Nice long walk along beach. Weather v mild for this time of year. Too full of late dinner for yoga tonight. #
  • @miss_s_b @stephenpglenn I had a go with "You're sure of yourself but you're vague on the facts – you're always a blogger to me." #
  • @spam shellypucke7 #
  • My big day today – will be chairing a fringe on Twitter at 1pm in the Marriott with Jo Swinson MP. Bring all your friends! #Ldconf #
  • It's the last day of #ldconf and the storm clouds are gathering. #
  • But what's that on the horizon? A new dawn? Sunshine through the rain? #Ldconf #weathermetaphors #

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